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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 02:36 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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My KitchenAid washer has started making a banging noise during the spin cycle. It also seems to stop very abruptly at the end of the spin. The banging is a regular bang ... bang ... bang, fairly loud, and occurs about once every second whenever the agitator is moving. The coupler seems good (I've replaced it numerous times, at about 2 year intervals). The drive block appears to be fine (compared to the photos posted on your site). And all of the springs appear to be in place and working. The banging noise occurs even with no water in the tub, with and without the agitator in-place. The noise sure seems to be coming from below the washer, where the motor and transmission are. I did notice some black shavings above what I think is the transmission (see picture), which are very suspicious, and appear relatively fresh, and are a pile almost an inch high. I haven't attempted to do more investigation in that area, since it appeared that I needed to turn the washer upside down to remove the transmission? The washer is 10 years old. I'm pretty handy, and I may be able to replace the transmission, if that is the problem. Any ideas on this problem, and if it is worth repairing. Attachment: washer bottom shavings.jpg (Downloaded 66 times)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 03:20 am |
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Mad Mac Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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I'd start by having a look at this: http://applianceguru.com/forum2/2308.html Check all connections to the motor.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 11:18 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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A correction - the noise occurs in the rinse and spin cycles only, not in the agitation cycle. Not sure how the suggestion to see the motor wiring connection link applies, the motor seems to be working fine.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 11:42 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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I checked the motor connections. All were tight. If it helps any, the banging is louder in the spin than the rinse. The washer does go thru all of it's functions, and appears to operate correctly in all functions (fill, agitate, rinse, spin). But the banging in the rinse and spin are loud enough that surely something will break completely soon if we use it regularly. There is no banging in the agitate cycle.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 12:26 pm |
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Samurai Appliance Repair Man Fermented Grand Master of Appliantology 
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Still not convinced that we've ruled out an electrical problem, but they're a bit more elusive. Let's start by eliminating obvious mechanical problems. Drop the tranny and get some eyeballs on the plastic cam on the basket drive assembly. While the cam may not be the specific problem, the disassembly may lead to its discovery.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 03:33 pm |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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Do I need to remove the motor first to get the transmission off? Also since there is minimal clearance, is it OK to lay the washer on it's back, or tilt it back, to access the transmission. What is your recommended method for dropping the tranny. Thanks in advance!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2005 04:08 pm |
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Pegi Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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Yes, remove the agitator first, take the case off, remove the pump and motor, undo the 3 tranny bolts and down she slides....is ok to lay it onto its back, this is how we do this....
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 12:48 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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Here is a picture of the transmission with shavings, may be just carbon from the brake. Attachment: IMG_0670.JPG (Downloaded 19 times)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 12:49 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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Here is a picture of the brake cam. Attachment: IMG_0676.JPG (Downloaded 17 times)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 12:50 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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Here is a picture of the drive block. Attachment: IMG_0678.JPG (Downloaded 45 times)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 12:51 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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And the associated shaft. Suggestions are welcome. Attachment: IMG_0680.JPG (Downloaded 39 times)
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 02:32 am |
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Pegi Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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Hummm, looks like oil from here, sure it is metal shavings and not rubber in oil??
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 03:21 am |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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Not wet with oil, as it is dry and powdery. Very fine, didn't feel like metal unless it was very very fine. Could have been rubber, but from what - I didn't see anything rubber above it. I've swept it up now, so I can't put a magnet to it to see if it was metal. In the meantime, I put the washer back together after I took the pictures, and now it won't even spin the basket anymore. Makes a screeching noise like perhaps the brake is on. I still get the banging as well. I can barely spin the basket by hand, and it requires much force. The agitator spins fine by hand (a lot of good that does  ).I had trouble getting the tranny on until I found the thread to release the brake, hold up the basket and relock the brake to hold it up while I put the tranny back on. That seemed to work for the reassembly, but did I need to somehow release the brake after I did that? At this point, I get the banging, screeching, and the washer won't spin or agitate - so I can't use it at all now. I took it all apart and put it back together again to see if I could resolve it, but not difference. It seems like it's put together right, but it sure works wrong. Close to a certified fiasco at this point. 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 10:18 am |
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Budget Appliance Repair Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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Sounding like a bad transmission to me. From all pictures, 1) Drive block - Ok 2) Agitator shaft - Ok 3) Brake and brake cam - Ok a) with transmission out and machine laying on back try to turn the brake cam from bottom to release brake and see if tub turns by hand. With brake on it should be very hard to get tub to turn. 4) Clutch, powdery material on tub of transmission looks like brake dust and very minimal at that, brown dust in clutch is wearing of clutch lining. a) the clutch lining could be worn out enough to be causing the squealing and the slow or no spin. Take the clutch lining out and put a small thin washer in one of the spring end caps to give clutch more tension to see if the squealing stops and if it will spin. When you put the machine in spin watch and see if the clutch bell is spinning or not. If the clutch bell is spinning and the tub isn't then I would say clutch problem, (if the tub turns by hand with transmission out). Unfortunitely from what your saying , (banging when in spin), I thinking more like the main input pinion and main gear stripped, which would also cause the no agitate.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 2nd, 2005 12:37 pm |
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mhubbard Grasshopper
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The tub spins fine with the brake released manually The first time I put it back together (after taking the pictures) it squealed and banged, but at least would slowly spin the tub. After a breakdown and reassembly to attempt to fix the squeal, it then squealed and banged, but wouldn't turn the tub at all. I thought the squealing/lack of tub spinning was brake related since the tub is hard to turn by hand even when the washer is actively trying to spin the tub (in it's own squealing banging way) during the spin cycle. But maybe this should be the case anyway (I don't normally reach my hand in to spin the tub during the spin cycle, since it always was spinning rapidly anyway). In the meantime, even before my disassembly, when the tub did spin, it banged up a storm, which was the original problem. The banging still happens now, even without the tub spinning. This banging sure seems to be transmission related, and I've seen other threads in this forum that concluded the same (and one that fixed it with a replacement transmission). During the disassembly, I noticed quite a few emerging rust spots on the holes in the porcelain tub. In the past I've sealed about a dozen of these rusty holes with clear epoxy to stop our clothes from getting little orange dot stains on them. So, considering the transmission probably needs replaced, the tub is rusting out, and all other parts are over 10 years old, I'm resigning myself to replacing this machine. Thanks again for your help! I've learned alot, despite not getting it fixed. 
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