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| Kitchenaid bottom freezer warm (model KBLA22KMSS) | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:26 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Freezer woes. Last few days I'd heard the (now ominous) click-buzz-click. Read up about this here and decided to replace the start relay/capacitor 3-1 assembly. That didn't seem to make a difference and the click-buzz-click started right up again. The whole time the refrigerator is staying cool and both the freezer and the refrigerator are cool and the fans are running and blowing (at least) cool air. But at this point, the freezer was definitely not cold enough to keep anything frozen, so I turned the freezer to "Off" and left it that way for 7 hours overnight. When I turned it back on to the lowest (i.e. least cold) setting, everything started right up and I had frozen food again in the freezer in an hour or two. Everything was happy for about 8 hours and then the click-buzz-click started up again and again the freezer is thawing. The relay is presumably good, since I just replaced it. The compressor at least seems (mostly?) good as it was able to re-freeze the freezer and even when the freezer stops freezing, I still feel cold air coming out the vents inside both compartments. For that matter, the exhaust at the bottom/back of the unit is also cool. Any suggestions?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:31 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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How much lint buildup is/was there in the coils underneath? Could be that the Compressor is seizing
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:35 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Well, there was a whole heck of a lot. (Amazing what two cats can accomplish over 4.5 years.) But I vacuumed that all out and the coils all look pretty clean now. There's still some dust and such that I couldn't reach with the vacuum, but the coils are all recognizably black instead of furry. Did all that yesterday when I replaced the start-relay.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:45 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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ashmorgan wrote: Well, there was a whole heck of a lot. (Amazing what two cats can accomplish over 4.5 years.) User manual recommends cleaning every 6 months, probably contributed much to the failure of the compressor Too bad cat's can't read! Last edited on Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:46 am by kdog ____________________ Can Ye spare some 'cutter me brutha ? http://web.me.com/zenzoidman/kdog/ |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:48 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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So you think it's the compressor even though it managed to refreeze things this morning? The compressor is still under warranty, so I guess I should have an authorized servicer come take a look?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:49 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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ashmorgan wrote: decided to replace the start relay/capacitor 3-1 assembly. then the click-buzz-click started up again You shouldn't leave this cycling on a 3 in 1 starter, as it is a hazard
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 05:59 am |
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RegUS_PatOff Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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while the Compressor is "clicking" how hot is it ? could you hold the palm of your hand on it for any length of time ?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 06:01 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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ashmorgan wrote: Well, there was a whole heck of a lot. (Amazing what two cats can accomplish over 4.5 years.)
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 06:02 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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ashmorgan wrote: The compressor is still under warranty, Does your warranty cover neglecting to clean the coils?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 06:05 am |
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RegUS_PatOff Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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kdog wrote: Does your warranty cover neglecting to clean the coils? cats don't talk .. 
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 06:17 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Hehe...thanks guys. Indeed cats don't talk. =) I have everything turned off again right now, so it's not cycling anymore. Going to turn it on again in the morning and see how things go. Will try to put my hand on the compressor...how hot (or not) should it be? It was certainly "warm" yesterday when replacing the start relay, but not so hot that I couldn't hold it enough to push the relay on to it. Though it'd been unplugged for an hour or so at that point.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 06:27 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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RegUS_PatOff wrote:
Mine never seem to shut up !!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 10th, 2009 11:43 pm |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Ok, here's the update. After being off all night, it wouldn't turn on immediately this morning. However, after 15 or 20 minutes, it did kick on and again the freezer froze up again. And again, 8 hours or so later, the click-buzz-click started again, so I took off the back panel. The compressor was very warm. I could leave my fingers on it for a second or two, but it was definitely uncomfortable, and I wouldn't have wanted to leave them on much longer. Pulled out the multimeter...tested each of the 3 pins to ground...no path. Tested the pins pairwise and each read a few ohms (less than 10). From what I've been reading this generally indicates the compressor is good. Any other suggestions of things to look into? Last edited on Mon Aug 10th, 2009 11:44 pm by ashmorgan |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 12:40 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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ashmorgan wrote:
That's an untrue statement, post the exact results of your compressor pin resistances
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 04:45 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Ok. Sorry it took so long. Had to go teach class. Left side: 4.1 ohms Right side: 5.3 ohms Bottom side: 8.3 ohms The numbers fluctuated a bit and never really stablized, but never went past 10 for the left and right sides. The bottom side spiked a bit higher (30 or so) initially, but quickly dropped to 8-9 range.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 05:59 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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If those readings are accurate, it appears you have shorted windings
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 06:05 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Oh? I was reading on another thread that the left and right should be in the low ohms and the bottom should be the sum of the other two, which is basically what I have. If one of the windings was shorted, shouldn't one of of the pairs read open or high resistance?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 07:08 am |
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RegUS_PatOff Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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KBLA22KMSS I can't find a Tech Sheet for that model, but a similar Whirlpool model that uses the same Compressor Compressor Resistance Run Windings ......... 3.33 ohms Resistance Start Windings ....... 4.28 ohms GB9SHDXPB00 Tech Sheet
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 07:56 am |
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ashmorgan Merit Apprentice Appliantologist
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Ah, I pulled the tech sheet from the bottom. And yes, you're correct about the values. Looking at the tech sheet, I see there's a cap that needs to be discharged. I don't have a 10K resistor handy to discharge the cap, so the readings I took were with the cap still charged. I just measured again and the start winding came down and stablized around 4.0 which is within the tolerance listed on the spec sheet. The run winding would dip down to 3.0 or so (again within the +- 15%), but mostly wanted to sit around 5.0 or so. I'll try to find a 10K at work tomorrow to discharge the cap and get an accurate (and presumably stable) set of readings. Assuming those check out, any other things to try? The compressor does get very warm when it enters the click-buzz-click phase. I'm guessing it's not supposed to? Could something be causing the compressor to run too often and overheat?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11th, 2009 08:18 am |
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RegUS_PatOff Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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If the Compressor is running "forever" (except during Defrost) it may get hot .... Is the (Compressor) Condenser Fan is running when Compressor runs ? What does the frost pattern look like on the Freezer Evaporator Coil ? (after the Compressor's been running at least an hour) Totally frosted, evenly ? Partially ? Fully Clogged with frost ?
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